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Justice Department has requested records for millions of searches made on Google, AOL and other popular search engines in an effort to bolster its case for an online ****ography law. The subpoena is for broad data on search habits, not personal information. But the request has raised alarms among industry observers and civil libertarians who wonder what kind of data search engines have about their users -- and what other, more sensitive data the government may seek next.

Google, Microsoft's MSN, Yahoo and AOL received subpoenas for a random sampling of millions of Internet addresses cataloged in their databases, as well as for records for potentially billions of searches made over a one-week period. Only Google refused to comply. The Justice Department wants to use the data to support its argument that Web-filtering software doesn't work.

"The reason they're asking for the data is that they want to be able to say, 'Look, this is how much **** is potentially reached online,'" says Danny Sullivan, editor of Search Engine Watch, an industry newsletter. "But next time, they might come in and ask for data that does contain personal information. That serves as a wake-up call for people."

A 'Honey Pot' of User Information

The request was part of the government's effort to uphold the Child Online Protection Act (COPA). The 1998 law requires online distributors of "material harmful to minors" to prevent minors from accessing the site. Civil liberties groups argued that COPA also restricts protected free speech. Courts have blocked the law from taking effect.

Subpoenas for the search information were issued last year. Representatives from MSN, AOL and Yahoo said their companies chose to comply only after ensuring that the information did not violate the privacy of their users. Google opted to fight the request. This week, the Justice Department asked a federal judge to force Google to hand over the information.

In refusing to comply with the subpoena, Google cited concerns over the privacy of its users and the protection of its trade secrets. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group, applauds Google's defiance, but notes that the government's request brings new focus on the type of information that search engines collect on their users.

"All the search engines have created a honey pot of information about people and what they search for," says Kurt Opsahl, a staff attorney for the group. "It's a window into their personalities -- what they want, what they dream about. This information gets stored, and that becomes very tempting."

What Search Engines Know About You

Search Engine Watch's Sullivan says that people might be surprised to learn how much information search engines store about their users. At a basic level, search engines retain a record of the Web sites users visit and the search terms they use. "Cookies" -- text files that are embedded in a user's hard drive by a Web page server -- help search engines keep a record of their customers' Web habits to personalize their searches and to deliver targeted advertising. Yahoo's cookie expires in June 2006. The cookie used by Google lasts until 2036.

Search engines that offer e-mail services -- such as Yahoo Mail or Google's Gmail -- retain whatever personal information users are required to enter when opening an e-mail account, Sullivan notes. The same holds true for anyone who signs in when using a personalized homepage from Google or Yahoo. Whatever information you provide when signing in could be linked to your search history.

And customers who buy services from a search engine might also be leaving their credit card information behind. "Technically, they can use that to find out who you are," Sullivan says.

Anonymous Browsing

Technology to help Web users protect their privacy is available. Software such as Tor and Anonymizer hides a user's IP address (the string of numbers that identifies a user's computer) from search engines by routing search requests through a maze of servers.

Tor is a free service sponsored by the Electronic Frontier Foundation; it routes your Web browsing through a variety of servers, camouflaging where the traffic originated from. Anonymizer offers limited free browsing and also sells software packages starting at $29.99. Technology experts say both services can result in slower surfing, and they note that some Web sites block anonymous browsing.

A Novel Request

Search engines receive requests for specific information on users several times a day, in both criminal probes and civil lawsuits. The Justice Department's request is different in that the information being sought is a large body of data, rather than information related to a specific individual.

While that may have allayed the privacy worries of search engines that chose to comply with the subpoenas, privacy advocates worry that personal information might be part of the search data itself. They note that people often perform vanity searches for their names, their home addresses or other personal information.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation's Opsahl says his group has urged search engines to limit the amount of information they gather about users and the length of time they store that data. "They have listened to us but there's a lot of resistance," he says.
 



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Privacy issues notwithstanding, some people have questioned whether this is really an effective way to catch child **** viewers or children viewing **** or whatever the *%$! the government is trying to do. The amount of data they are asking for Google to turn over is massive - one million random web addresses and every search done on Google for a week.

http://blog.searchenginewatch.com/blog/060119-060352
 






And who is going to be watching over the Feds shoulder to ensure that the only data they are slurping up has to do with child ****??
 






Dick Cheney and Karl Rove. You trust them, don't you? :p
 






Rick said:
And who is going to be watching over the Feds shoulder to ensure that the only data they are slurping up has to do with child ****??

"Hey, C'mon guy, you trust me, right?"

Saddam.jpg
 






America the land of the free. haha
This is bs. Before you know it everything
will be controled by the government.
Oh wait It's to late.
 






timmac06 said:
America the land of the free. haha
This is bs. Before you know it everything
will be controled by the government.
Oh wait It's to late.

[cynicism]
Actually, most things are controlled (or at least heavily influenced by) large corporations. They spend the money that get the politicians elected. As soon as a politician is elected, they are working on their next campaign, or are raising money to keep their party in office, so it is pretty much a continuous process.
[/cynicism]
 






Rick said:
And who is going to be watching over the Feds shoulder to ensure that the only data they are slurping up has to do with child ****??

Actually, I hear that Pete Townshend may be available. :D
 






How stupid. So this is all just to show how easy kids can access ****ographic material? Kids know more about computers than adults. If they make it so kids can't find **** then neither will adults :p I'm with Google on this one. First they'll get the search terms and addresses, next they'll be asking for IP's.
 






sometimes i wonder why the democrats dont demand bush's resignation and make it publically known that they did... I mean if I made as many mistakes as that man did security would escort me out of the building and tell me good luck finding another job. I know i would support it. I dont know of one thing that he has done that has actually made things better since he's been in office. (rant over)

in response to this thread... I dont even know why the government bothered asking for them... it'll just have the NSA hack in and take whatever they want.
 






the people that will get caught up in this will be the average joe just takin the easy one off the top.
 






I beleive once they have the data, they will be looking for a lot more than just child **** and if they get caught they will claim it was to protect us and is part in our "War on Terror". I really want to know what is stopping them from doing just that.
 












The only thing that will stop this admin. will be the elections. We americans are not dumb for very long. You can't snow the snowman.
 






What if this admin. claimed the explorer was the truck of choice for the so called terror cells in the usa and wanted all your records, would you roll? Is it any more stupid than the google request? If they don't get what they want, will we have more activist judges?
 






I hope they don't look for people that go to adult **** sites. I'll be on the run :D
 






I have already alerted the NSA. :p :D
 






I have to agree with the majority opinion in this thread, the government is trying to way over step their bounds. But what's even scarrier is that big brother is already watching. I'm pretty surprised that they even asked when taking the info that they wanted. It seems like just a kind of formality to me. Scary stuff. Where will it stop?
 






timmac06 said:
America the land of the free. haha
This is bs. Before you know it everything
will be controled by the government.
Oh wait It's to late.
Yeah im with you
-Patriot act-direct controdiction to the 4th :fire:
 



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I hate to break up the Bush bashing (won't happen anyway) but the subpeona (issued by a judge) is very narrow in scope. It will identify child **** sites and the frequency with which they are visited. The Feds want child **** stopped and stopped now. I fully support this measure.

It does not fall under the auspices of the Patriot act but rather the desire to get laws enacted to stop the proliferation of child ****ography on the internet. The Feds first try at a child **** law got shot down. This subpeona is to bolster their case on a new child **** law.

As has been stated, only Google has failed to comply. And only this subpeona. They have been served and complied with many previous subpeonas, why buck on this one?

That's the BEST question.

Now, back to the Bush bash..............
 






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