PenguinPin
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I'm rebuilding my 4R75W transmission. I found a chip inside the rear bore. The damage is located at the top of the bore, so I didn't even notice it on the first inspection.
Now I've been trying to find a reasonable solution for a week. I would like to share the results of my little research and I hope more experienced mechanics will share their knowledge.
What's happened with the rear bore
Here's the evidence
You can see the three lanes where the output shaft metal rings rides. Most of the damage is between two and three lanes. However, my output shaft only had side-to-side play, but not longitudinal play. So I have no idea how these furrows happened here.
Is this related to the transmission failure
Doesn't seem like that. Panther platform, 140k miles, never been hardy pushed, but tranny oil never been changed. Seems like OD bore wear caused wrong pressure and burnt forward clutches. Has nothing to do with the rear bore.
How to fix it
I found two ways to get rid of this problem
#1. Get a "new" used case. Guess what's wrong with this? This is a very common problem, so It's very difficult to find a case in good condition these days. There aren't that many cases on sale. All of them have who-knows thousand miles. Although "new" cases do not have such large furrows, the overall condition looks worse than my case. I've even seen cases with little furrows on sale.
Some sellers like to sand down the bores to remove marks from the metal rings. I wondering how bad it was before sanding? This is a cosmetic renovation that is unlikely to make it better. On the contrary, I believe that uneven material removal may cause faster wear in this area. Here is an example of a sanded bore (you can see that even after sanding some deep damage remains):
It all looks to me like bargain one trouble for another.
#2. I found a solution that at first glance seems like a panacea - installing a repair sleeve. Part number is T-1695-SLE, sleeve is available on transend. It requires a special tool (T-1695, reaming tool casting number is TA-103). But this tool has long been discontinued, not many transmission shops have it. The only visual instructions I found were on this forum: How to: - 4R70W Transmission Rebuild Diary
Here's a photo of the tool and the installed bushing, taken from the instruction:
Guess what's wrong this time?
I wondered why the tool been discontinued and why it is so difficult to find a shop that can do this repair, until one mechanic told me he had used this repair in the past, but it created issues. He said that new bushing will spin in the case no matter how I secure it. If so, then this is very critical, because when rotating the bushing will block the oil supply channels.
So I'm confused
Now I've been trying to find a reasonable solution for a week. I would like to share the results of my little research and I hope more experienced mechanics will share their knowledge.
What's happened with the rear bore
Here's the evidence
You can see the three lanes where the output shaft metal rings rides. Most of the damage is between two and three lanes. However, my output shaft only had side-to-side play, but not longitudinal play. So I have no idea how these furrows happened here.
Is this related to the transmission failure
Doesn't seem like that. Panther platform, 140k miles, never been hardy pushed, but tranny oil never been changed. Seems like OD bore wear caused wrong pressure and burnt forward clutches. Has nothing to do with the rear bore.
How to fix it
I found two ways to get rid of this problem
#1. Get a "new" used case. Guess what's wrong with this? This is a very common problem, so It's very difficult to find a case in good condition these days. There aren't that many cases on sale. All of them have who-knows thousand miles. Although "new" cases do not have such large furrows, the overall condition looks worse than my case. I've even seen cases with little furrows on sale.
Some sellers like to sand down the bores to remove marks from the metal rings. I wondering how bad it was before sanding? This is a cosmetic renovation that is unlikely to make it better. On the contrary, I believe that uneven material removal may cause faster wear in this area. Here is an example of a sanded bore (you can see that even after sanding some deep damage remains):
It all looks to me like bargain one trouble for another.
#2. I found a solution that at first glance seems like a panacea - installing a repair sleeve. Part number is T-1695-SLE, sleeve is available on transend. It requires a special tool (T-1695, reaming tool casting number is TA-103). But this tool has long been discontinued, not many transmission shops have it. The only visual instructions I found were on this forum: How to: - 4R70W Transmission Rebuild Diary
Here's a photo of the tool and the installed bushing, taken from the instruction:
Guess what's wrong this time?
I wondered why the tool been discontinued and why it is so difficult to find a shop that can do this repair, until one mechanic told me he had used this repair in the past, but it created issues. He said that new bushing will spin in the case no matter how I secure it. If so, then this is very critical, because when rotating the bushing will block the oil supply channels.
So I'm confused
- Does anyone know what could be causing the damage between the metal rings?
- Has anyone had experience with these repair bushings? Are they really that bad?
- As a last resort, I could gently sand the damage a little until it is smooth (especially in the metal ring lane) and keep my case. Is this a bad decision?